Adding sound to fifteen locomotives
One of the projects that I hope to accomplish in the next 10 or twelve months is to add sound to about fifteen locos in the transition period, that is a mix of steam and first generation diesel. What I have to work with is a number of P2K GP9's, GP7's, SD7's, S1's (or 2's or 3's) a PA, an RS3 from Atlas, 2 or 3 Genesis F3 and F7 AB's, several Spectrum 280's and a Mountain, two Mantua 462's (last edition before they folded, two Genesis 282's and a couple of IHC 260's and 440 as well. None of these are currently have DCC decoders of any sort for consideration.
I realize that Tsunamis are the decoder of choice but they seem a little pricey and excessively complex for my purposes. And loksound and QSI are not up for consideration.
What I think would work is the DSD101LC series from Soundtraxx. It seems to be a broad enough product range to cover my needs but I have found next to nothing about them on my web searches and do not know if they are still in production. So far Soundtraxx has not responded to my email inquiry.
The other alternative that I know of is Digitrax Soundbugs (SFX004) plugged into the DH165 series decoders. This seems a viable option in that the decoders are up to date in terms of features, specific to various locos and offer an interim path of first installing the DCC and adding the sound more gradually. The draw back is that I've got minimal desire to mess with sound files and the one shown of the Digitrax website don't really match my needs.
MRC seems to offer quite of range of product as well including some specific to some of my locos but I have read very little positive about them. As well their track record of bringing DCC product to market is sketchy. I Command 2000 - a dud, the first Prodigy (the one I have with the rotary selection switch) orphaned and made immediately obsolete by the next version.
That's the other thing I'll probably need to keep and use my current Prodigy system for a couple years just to amortize buying it in the first place. So the decoders that I do get need to be compatible with it. As well they should work with the NCE wireless system that I hope to acquire in the future.
Simplicity is a high value to me and I am looking for input.
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You'll have to figure that one out on your own
You say you like the Tsunami but don't like its price and name pros and cons for several others. One thing I don't understand is where you get the "complexity" comment for Tsunamis. I didn't find it the least bit complex for my first sound decoder install (and first non-drop-in decoder install). Can you explain why you think they are "complex"?
But what kind of sound are you looking for? Just to have the trains make some noise, or do you want them to sound their best? If you really want them to sound their best, the Tsunami or Revolution would be my choice (and I'm sold on Tsunamis at this point). If you go with cheaper decoders, chances are the sound won't be as good and you may not be as happy with them. Perhaps, though, if you have nothing to compare them to, they'll be fine. But its up to you - spend the money and get great quality, or save some money and settle for "passable."
Dave
Building a TOMA HO Scale '70s/80s era
GMT-6
Tsunami CV options are complex
The higher-end sound decoders have a ton of configuration options with the CVs - that's where something like Decoder Pro makes life so much simpler.
Now you just grab the horn knob and pull it left or right to adjust volume. You don't have to remember it's CV116 for the horn nor remember what value is loud and what value is not-so-loud.
Joe Fugate
Publisher, Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine
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Soundtraxx DSD - L series decoders
They were some of the very earliest DCC sound decoders, and I installed a bunch of them. They are long gone, replaced with Tsunami or LokSound. I found that the sound was acceptable but the motor driver circuitry was not very good. It caused every one of my Atlas and Kato motors to buzz. I thought it was motor vibration causing the shell to vibrate. I glued lead everywhere I could, to no avail.
I read someplace that the motor drivers were a problem, so I rewired the locos to make the DSD a sound-only decoder and installed one of the small M-series TCS decoders for motor and driver control. MUCH better, and maybe an option for you. The DSD-L decoders should be very inexpensive and the TCS decoder is about $25. Adding the two together is quite a bit less than either a Tsunami or a Loksound decoder. You just have to understand about programming two decoders in the same loco. Fortunately, the TCS -M decoder comes with a lock feature.
Anyways, those locos have since passed on to other hands and I'm now starting an On30 layout. One loco comes with Tsunami in it, but I've bought LokSound decoders for all the others. Why? Two reasons:
1. The motor driver and lighting control are exemplary.
2. No capacitor is required. Finding a place to put this device inside an HO shell can be a problem. You DO have to get creative. That might mean milling out or removing OEM weight. I compensated for the weight I removed by making sound baffles out of sheet lead.
I highly recommend either Tsunami or LokSound, but wouldn't consider either the MRC or the Digitrax Sound Bug because of past problems with them. I don't know anything about the QSI decoders. I have seen and heard them run and they sound very nice.
Scott Groff
Lacey, WA
Thanks, Joe
I guess that's where my inexperience working without Decoder Pro comes in. The only decoder programming I've done has been with Decoder Pro. Makes things super easy.
Dave
Building a TOMA HO Scale '70s/80s era
GMT-6
101LCs
I bought a 101LC from E Bay to try it out You can still get them from E bay but they are not as cheap as you think they would be - they still are asking $50 - $60 each. Support from Soundtrax is less than stellar (and understandably so) for them. As the Tsunamis come down in price, for me, the 101LC's aren't worth messing with. For as many locos as you have you might try to broker a deal with good store and get a "group" rate. I'm guessing you were not planing on getting them all at once but you might be able to get them in a couple of orders and still get a discount - it's worth a shot. I would try Tony's DCC (a MRH sponsor) or Ulrich http://www.ulrichmodels.biz/servlet/StoreFront (should be a MRH sponsor Les)
ratled
http://klamathline.blogspot.com/
Thanks Sparky
That's just the kind of info that I am looking for here. I'm not exactly a tinkerer, I don't enjoy pondering why something buzzes when it shouldn't or creating the work-arounds that you managed to put together. It's just that I'm a frugal kind of soul who won't pony up the money for the "best" unless he can justify it.
It's not exactly a vote of confidence in the product when Soundtraxx no longer makes the LC series so they are out of the running. So that leaves the Tsunamis. It appears that they are ordered "pre-loaded" with the sounds of one's motive power of choice so maybe setting them up isn't that difficult.
I'm writing this on a Mac so the LokSound, as good as they may be, are ruled out. Besides they are even more spendy.
Am I correct in believing that the Tsunamis have back emf circuits? Do they require adding a capacitor "keep alive"?
BTW if a previous poster had noted that I would find the Tsunami sound more satisfying that the others because of it's 16 bit technology (verses 8 for the Digitraxx, LC's and MRC's) then I could reply point well taken.
Aran Sendan
Back EMF
Yes, the Tsunamis do have Back-EMF. As for the capacitor, it is "optional" but always recommended. I wasn't going to put it into my N scale loco because of size constraints, but upon recommendation from Litchfield, they put it in and it has been useful.
Dave
Building a TOMA HO Scale '70s/80s era
GMT-6
I gave this same link on
I gave this same link on another post but this would do for your railroad no mater how many Trains you run as long as you run 6 or less at a time and you will not have to put sound decoders or speakers in a single engine Just the less expensive fleet decoders in each engine and from what Joe has said they run from $14.00 to $25.00 each. Chect out the Soundtraxx - SurroundTracxx system at the following url. even at the price of the system and speakers it is a lot cheeper than sound Decoders and speakers in 15 engines.
http://www.soundtraxx.com/surround/
Dan
Rio Grande Dan
Interesting Possibility
Definitely worth looking into. My overall goal (realistic or not) is to be able to mount operating sessions in three time periods, namely the steam to diesel transition, the time of the SP-Rio Grande merger and the time of the absorption of the SP into the UP. That's at least 45 locomotives times about $110 for Tsunamies equals about $5K verses about $800 for the system and it's peripherals and 45 times $25 for the decoders. And a lot less work. and maybe more rumble.
I think my layout tops out at four active trains. Besides the thought of spending $110 to put a sound decoder in a $40 IHC 260 that runs out of staging to switch a few logging flats and then disappears seems like overdressing a bit player in a stage production.
Aran Sendan
One little matter with
One little matter with the Soundtraxx's Surroundtraxx system is it requires Digitrax Transponding. That means you need a few BDL168, plus transponding receivers and transponding decoders to move the sound from place to place. The Surroundtraxx uses the transponding information to select where the sound should be directed and balanced between multyple outputs. Without transponding, it is an expensive, un-useable, router.
500$ for the Sourroundtraxx System, add 180$ for a BDL168 and 8 transponding receivers, plus equipe most of your engines with transponding decoders from Digitrax (no one else sells transponding decoders) or the Digitrax single/quad function transponding decoder at 15$ a pop. Add the speakers, sub woofer, amplifier for all this.
Without this you will not have all the bells and whistles you are paying for the Surroundtraxx system. All it will give you is rumble neath the table, Might as well get a used amp and speakers and one decoder.
Marc Fournier, Quebec